the real axis is gaza/cairo. cairo has real influence here. fatah is not popular in the west bank. there have been protests against it for corruption, for the rising cost of living. they're not popular. so i understand secretary clinton needs to go there as sort of just paying respects to mahmoud abbas, but if she really wants to make progress regarding gaza, it will come from cairo. >> is it possible that you could foresee a time when hamas accepts israel's right to exist? because israel officials, when you talk to them, that is the point they obviously always come back to. >> it's interesting to hear israeli officials talk about hamas today, because it sounds exactly like the way they spoke about the plo in the 1980s. and therefore -- but that changed. the dialogue changed, they got into negotiations, they signed the oslo peace accords in september 1993, and now the plo are the moderates. so there's no reason why not to foresee the day when hamas will be speaking on behalf of the palestinians with the israelis. >> more with ben, anne-marie, appreciate it. when we come back, want